Interview: Astronomer Avi Loeb talks alien technology and extra-terrestrial intelligence

Interview: Astronomer Avi Loeb talks alien technology and extra-terrestrial intelligence

Astronomer Avi Loeb gives his thoughts on the prospect of finding signs of intelligent life beyond our Solar System.

Published: April 15, 2024 at 2:15 pm

The question as to whether microbial life exists beyond Earth feels like it could be answered in the affirmative any time soon, given what the James Webb Space Telescope is discovering at exoplanets, and the reach of missions like Cassini and JUICE that examine habitable conditions within our own Solar System.

But what about intelligent life? Might there be other civilisations beyond our Solar System, able to manufacture technology and send out communication signals?

This is what the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) is attempting to establish.

Space junk is the name given to spent satellites and other debris in orbit around Earth. Credit: janiecbros / Getty Images
Space junk is the name given to spent satellites and other debris in orbit around Earth. Perhaps other civilisations produce technological debris. Credit: janiecbros / Getty Images

If intelligent civilisations did exist beyond our Solar System, perhaps they existed a long time ago.

And if that is the case, perhaps the best evidence we will find is not the extra-terrestrial species itself, but technological evidence of that species.

Humanity produces lots of space junk, sends out rovers and probes to explore space. Might other civilisations have done the same?

Could there be an alien technology on its way to our Solar System?

Avi Loeb is head of the Galileo Project, founding director of Harvard University's Black Hole Initiative chair of the advisory board for the Breakthrough Starshot project and a former member of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology.

We got the chance to speak to Loeb about the prospects for finding signs of intelligent life elsewhere in the cosmos, and what it would mean if we did.

Astronomer Avi Loeb
Astronomer Avi Loeb. Credit: Lotem Loeb 2020

Are we close to finding intelligent life beyond Earth?

The traditional thinking was that microbial life is far more abundant because it emerged soon after Earth cooled, whereas Homo Sapiens emerged merely in the last 0.1% of Earth’s history.

But we now know that most stars formed billions of years before the Sun and their Earth-like planets are well ahead of our history.

Moreover, humanity launched five probes towards interstellar space over the past half a century: Voyager 1 &2, Pioneer 10 & 11 and New Horizons.

This implies that technological space trash from past civilisations may be abundant in interstellar space as much as plastics are in our oceans.

An artist's illustration of the Voyager spacecraft. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
An artist's illustration of the Voyager spacecraft. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

Any debris launched by chemical propulsion was bound by gravity to the Milky Way disk and kept accumulated over the past billions of years.

If we search our cosmic backyard, the Solar System, we might find technologically-manufactured objects from our cosmic neighbourhood, akin to tennis balls thrown by a neighbour.

The first three interstellar objects recognized by humans: the interstellar meteors, IM1 and IM2, and `Oumuamua, appeared different in material strength, speed, shape and propulsion from familiar asteroids and comets from the Solar System.

This gives me hope that by seeking more evidence about them, we are likely to discover signs of intelligent life beyond Earth very soon.

We just need to seek that evidence in the true spirit of science.

An artist’s impression of ‘Oumuamua.Credit: ESO / M. Kornmesser
An artist’s impression of ‘Oumuamua.Credit: ESO / M. Kornmesser

How would people react upon discovery of extra-terrestrial intelligence?

It depends what we find.

It is likely that the object will be far more advanced than our technological products, because the senders reached our doorstep before we reached theirs.

In that case, the discovery and decoding of an extraterrestrial device will be accompanied by a sense of awe.

Similar to that of Moses encountering the burning bush in the old testament or Moses reading the ten commandments on a tablet connected to the internet.

As a scientist, I view it as an opportunity to make a giant leap towards our technological future.

It could inspire humanity to explore space and follow John Lennon’s words: “Imagine all the people living in peace.”

The centre of the Milky Way, as seen by the Spitzer Space Telescope. Credit: NASA, JPL-Caltech, Susan Stolovy (SSC/Caltech) et al.
The centre of the Milky Way, as seen by the Spitzer Space Telescope. Credit: NASA, JPL-Caltech, Susan Stolovy (SSC/Caltech) et al.

I calculated that if we allocated the 2-trillion dollars per year spent on military budgets every year to space exploration, we could send a probe towards every star in the Milky Way galaxy by the end of this century.

With a grander view, we could change our priorities from those of a crow pecking on the neck of eagles to becoming an eagle that rises to heights where no crows survive.

Here’s hoping that we move away from the crow-mentality on social media to the eagle-mentality of intelligent civilisations in interstellar space.

Recently, I led an expedition to the Pacific Ocean with the goals of retrieving materials from the first interstellar meteor, IM1.

During the expedition it occurred to me that all team members are in the same boat.

I enjoyed the company of all crew members because each contributed selflessly to the success of our mission.

The boat is a metaphor for Earth moving through space.

All earthlings share the same boat and we better work together towards acquiring a respectable status in the cosmic class of intelligent civilizations.

North America and the Pacific can be seen clearly in this view of Earth captured during Apollo 10, 18 May 1969. Credit: NASA / restored by Toby Ord
North America and the Pacific can be seen clearly in this view of Earth captured during Apollo 10, 18 May 1969. Credit: NASA / restored by Toby Ord

What are our best chances of finding intelligent life beyond Earth?

In the past seventy years we tried to listen to radio signals. This is similar to waiting for a phone call.

You need the counterpart to be active.

The approach I am taking is to check for physical objects that arrived to our doorstep from our cosmic neighbourhood.

Even if their senders are dead, we would still retrieve them.

Moreover, packages would keep accumulating, whereas radio signals are billions of light years away if they were sent billions of years ago.

Will radio astronomy ever solve the mystery of the wow signal?
Credit: honglouwawa / Getty

How can we focus our resources better?

We now know that 83% of the matter in the Universe is composed of a substance that we do not find in the solar system.

As a result, we invest billions of dollars in the search for this mysterious dark matter.

The public cares more about the question: “Are we alone?” than about the nature of dark matter.

Therefore, we should invest similar resources, or more, in the search for interstellar objects of technological origin.

Science can be exciting if it resonates with the public’s interests,

For more from Avi Loeb visit: avi-loeb.medium.com

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